3 JULY 1830, Page 2

PROCEEDINGS IN PARLIAMENT.

PARLIAMENT was employed on Saturday and Monday in ad- ministering the oath of allegiance to the new Sovereign. Oa Tuesday, a message from the King was delivered to both Houses. On Wednesday, addresses to his Majesty were voted, after ani- mated debates on the exlediency of appointing a Regency before dissolving the present Parliarnent. Wednesday was further dis- tinguished, in the Commons, by the abandonment of Mr. GOBI,- RN'S system of Sugar-duties. On Thursday, the Foiwery Bill, as agreed to by the Commons, miscarried in the House of Lords. In the Lower House, the Ways and Means Were under considera- tion, and the Beer Bill passed. Last night, the House was again occupied with the Supplies. In the course of the discussion, Mr. BitotioliAm and Sir .1. AmEs GRAII AM protested most earnestly against I he present coin-se of 'Ministers ; and Air. ROBERT GRANT intimated his intention of moving an address to the Crown on the subject.

1. THE CROWN. The public business commenced on Tuesday, in both Houses, by the reading of the following message from the King.

" WILLIAM R.—The King feels assured that the House entertains a just sense of the loss which hisMajesty and the country have sustained in the death of I Hs Majesty's lamented brother, the late King, and that the Ilouse sympathizes with i us Majesty in the deep affliction in which His Majesty is plunged by this mournful event. The King, taking into his serious consideration the advanced period of the session, and the state of the public business, feels unwilling to recommend the introduction of any new mat- ter, which, by its postponement, would tend to the detriment of the public service. His Majesty has adverted to the provisions of the law which decrees the determination of Parliament within an early period after the demise of the Crown, and being of opinion that it will be much conducive to the general convenience and to the public interests of the country, to call, with as little delay as possible, a new Parliament, His Majesty recom- mends the I-louse to make such temporary provision as may be requisite for the public service in the interval that may elapse between the close of the present session and the meeting of another Parliament."

In the House of Lords, the Duke of WELLINGTON pronounced a panegyric on the late King, and moved an address to his pre- sent Majesty. This was the panegyric.

"My Lords, our late Sovereign, having received the best education which this country could afford, had the singular advantage of having:kassed the early part of his life under the immediate superintendence taiire his father, and the subsequent part in the society of the most eminent men that this or any other country ever produced, and in the society of the most eminent foreigners that ever resorted to this country. Accord- ingly, my Lords, his Majesty's manners received a polish, and his under- standing a degree of cultivation, which made him far surpass in such ad- vantages all his subjects, and made him one of the most remarkable Sove- reigns of our time. He acquired a degree of knowledge upon the subjects winch it was most important for a Sovereign of this country to be ac- quainted with. Those advantages he carried with him into the Govern- ment, which he afterwards exercised in the name of his illustrious father, and as Sovereign upon the Throne up to the time of his lamented death. During all that time, my Lords, and up to the last moment of his life, no man ever approached his Majesty who did not feel instructed by his learn- ing, and gratified by his condescension, affability, and kindness of dispo- sition. These advantages were not confined, my Lords, to external show of manners ; but I appeal to every noble Lord who has ever had the ho- nour of transacting business under his Majesty's direction, whether, on every occasion, his Majesty did not manifest a degree of ability, of talent, and of knowledge in the most minute affairs of life beyond what could be expected from a person in the exalted situation his Majesty had always filled. This is nut all, my Lords—his Majesty was the most distinguished and most munificent patron of the arts in this country, and in the world, and he has left behind him the largest collection ever possessed by any individual of the most eminent works of the artists of his own country, and a collection of the works of art generally, such as few Sovereigns, and such as no individual (for as an individual his Majesty collected them) ever possessed. This being the case, I entreat your Lordships to reflect on the state in which his Majesty, in 1810, found Europe, and this country included in Europe, and the state in which he left it. Having taken that into consideration, together with the great political contests and the great events which have occurred during his reign, and under his auspices, I say that we have reason to be proud of his late Majesty." The address was as follows :— • "That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty, to assure his Majesty that we fully participate in time severe affliction his Majesty is suffering on account of the death of the late King, his Majesty's brother, of blessed and glorious memory. That we shall ever remember with affectionate gratitude that our late Sovereign, under circumstances of unexampled difficulty, maintained the ancient glory of this country in the war ; and during a period of long duration secured to his people the ines- timable blessings of internal concord and external peace. To offer his Ma- jesty our humble and heartfelt congratulations on his Majesty's happy accession to the Throne; to assure his Majesty of our loyal devotion to his Majesty's sacred person, and to express an entire confidence, founded on our experience of his Majesty's beneficent character, that his Majesty, animated by sincere love for the country which his Majesty has served from his earliest years, will, under the favour of Divine Providence, di- rect all his efforts to the maintenance of the Reformed Religion, esta- blished by law, to the protection of the rights and liberties, and to the advancement of the happiness and prosperity of all classes of his Majesty's faithful people."

Earl GREY, the Duke of BUCKINGHAM, and Lord GODERICH, Iexpressed their cordial concurrence in the Address, and it was voted unanimously. In the House of Commons, Sir ROBERT PEEL, after delivering a somewhat more measured eulogium than the Duke of Wel- lington's, moved a similar Address. It was seconded by Mr. BROUGHAM, in a strain of compliment to both Monarchs ' • voted by acclamation ; and ordered to be presented to the King by those members of the House of Commons who were of the Privy Council. Mr. WYNN expressed a wish that it should be presented by the whole House in a body ; but Sir ROBERT PEEL hinted, that his Majesty being fatigued, and wishing to be private, the other mode would be more agreeable.

ON Wednesday, the Duke of WELLINGTON moved a second Address, which was an echo of the latter part of the King's Mes-

sage ; their Lordships pledging themselves to forward such mett- . - sures as may be requisite tor the public service in the interval Nvhich may elapse between the dissolution of the present Parlia- ment and the assentbling of a new one. His Grace accompanied this motion with the following explanation.

" We are now arrived at that period of the year at which it usually hap- pens that the business of Parliament is about to terminate ; at least, my Lords, it generally happens that the business is so far advanced about this time, or within a month from this time, that it is possible to close Parliament. It is unnecessary for me to draw your attention in detail to the present state of the business before Parliament : it is sufficient for me to request your consideration of the state of the votes of the House of Commons, and the state of the votes of this House; and your Lordships will see that so much business yet remains to be done, that it must neces- sarily postpone the dissolution to a distant period • and at this time of the session, if any new bUSilleSS were brought forward, Parliament could not be dissolved,— at least there would be no hope that it could he satisfac- torily closed before a considerable time. tinder these circumstances, lily Lords, and considering the great calamity to which we have all been ex- posed has been expected for a considerable time, and that all men have been looking forward to a dissolution of Parliament within a limited period, and looking forward to a general election,—considering, too, that these circumstances have for the last few months occasioned considerable excitement, and that all the country is preparing for a general election ; that few members of Parliament would be likely to remain in town, and that those few would be involved with considerations of their own per- sonal interest, and be little disposed to attend to public business,—under all these circumstances, my Lords, and considering that the measures now before Parliament may be easily postponed, and that they may be brought forward with a probability of success at the beginning of another session, his Majesty's I■linisters have advised his Majesty to dissolve the present Parliament as soon as possible. I will not enter into any details of the measures which, under these circumstances, will he necessary. I may state generally, that all the accounts and estimates of what vill be neces- sary for the public service shall be prepared. His Majesty's Ministers propose that such sums as will be necessary for the public service shall be placed at 'their disposal till a new Parliament shall be assembled. Mea- sures to provide for the honour and dignity of the Crown, including a tem- porary provision for the Queen, will lie proposed in the other House of Parliament ; and in general all other measures will be postponed until the meeting of the new Parliament."

Earl CP1),s,y opposed the motion. Ilc considered Ow Duke's ex- planation as altogether unsatistlictory. " If your Lordships consult the Votes of this and the other House of Parliament, your Lordships will find that they contain many subjects of great and deep importance under the present circumstances of the country, requiring serious consideration, and which cannot, I think, be deferred without causing considerable inconvenience and even danger to the public interests. There is a necessity for an immediate dissolution, the noble Duke says; but why is there this necessity ? Apparently it arises from the circumstance that during the long and afflicting period of uncertainty as to the issue of his Majesty's illness, when the minds of men have been directed to that event, the Ministers, who have had the business of Parliament to forward, of whatever nature it may have been, have shown themselves quite incapable of conducting it. Is it not extra- ordinary, that after five months' discussion—when we 'have arrived at the 30th of June, when we should naturally look for the termination of the session—is it not extraordinary, that we should be in such a state of difficulty, confusion, and embarrassment ? Is it, my Lords, at the same time understood, what will be the nature and effect of the proposition of the noble Duke ? It is, my Lords' that all the measures which have had the advantage of being before Parliament for consideration for five months, must now be thrown aside, and put an end to. At the same time it is proposed to your Lordships, in order to get rid of the increase of business, and to avoid the confusion that would be introduced into the public service, if some provision were not made to place in the hands of the Ministers, who have already shown themselves so incompetent to manage the business of the country, a temporary grant of public money. In what manner had they already deserved the confidence of Parliament, Boas to establish grounds for its future confidence?"

He then entered at length upon the subject of precedents - after which he proceeded to call the attention of the House to the ex- pediency of appointing a Regency. " His Majesty will, I trust, enjoy many years of sound health ; having a vigorous constitution, strengthened by habits of temperance ; and I look forward with an assurance that his Majesty may enjoy a long reign of prosperity and happiness. But Kings, as well as their subjects, are mortal : at the very moment that I am addressing your Lordships, how many individuals are suddenly summoned to that last account which we shall all one day or other be called on to give ! The stroke of sudden death may fall on kings as well as on their subjects. May „not this calamity befall the country in the interval between the close of this and the assembling of another Par- liament? Consider, then, what would he the consequence to the country did such an event happen, and no provision made for it? By the law of the land, there is no minority of the King; though the successor be an infant, he possesses all the rights of sovereignity. I call on your Lord- ships to consider what would be the consequences should such a calamity as the death of the King fall on the country when the Parliament is not assembled, and no provision made for it ; and should it not be provided for by anticipation. I hope that it is not probable that such an event will happen ; but while it is possible, it is necessary that it should be pro- vided for, or the condition of • the country may be most deplorable, hi what terms we should try and convey to the gracious Prince the anxiety we feel to enter oa the deliberation. I am not fully aware. The subject ought properly to come under our consideration by a recommendation from his Majesty's Ministers; and I am sincerely persuaded that his Majesty would not be averse from such a recommendation ; for he is of too manly and considerate a disposition to hesitate, from those motives which men of an ordinary description might feel, in making such a recommendation. I am not, therefore, without hope, that such a recommendation may come from his Majesty himself. Should the proposition proceed from your Lordships, I should suggest nothing less respectful than an humble address to his Majcity, praying him that he would be gracioesly pleased to recommend the adoption of son 2 measure to provide againA the great danger to which I have alluded."

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The LOED CHANCE:LT.0U Stipp.011 the original motion. He did not think I iat I hetei ex1.•sled any urgent necessity ibr the :TN:I-dm:tit of a Ileg,,ney. In his apprehension, the case with respect to infants was the same as with Sovereigns of a maturcr age. Parliament would meet, as ot had met on the present occasion ; the Privy Council also would nimble in the same manner, and the proceedings in all these respects would he the same. It was ia the power of a miner Sovereign to ell else his own servants ; and if the previous Officers of State were continued in their situation, it would be their duty to bring the reicstion of Regency before Parliament—if others were appointed, then on them would all the reeponsibility of the Government devolve. In both cases, the same difficulties which had already been suggested would folh.o.v, except in such cases as when the heir happened to be the son of the re dug Monarch. Parliament, in such cases, had never interfered, but had always thouolit it more wise to wait the course of events ; and then, if any thing called fer iuterphsition, the wisdom of Patliament was always able o.) tint an adequate, remedy. No inconvenience, in his opinion, could follow from the delay that was contemplated. VisCOUDI GODERICH supported the motion for fuljournment. The Earl of ELooN also gave it his support.

From the style in which his learned friend had talked of Royal infants, one might conclude that he thought them just as gist as any ; and for the matter of that, he dared to say, that if he (Lord Eldon) was a mili- tary Prime Miniiter, he should like nothing I,etter thikt1 alt in King. (Loud (iowing.) They had already, through the goou offices of the Go- vernment, admitted iuto power what he must still call idolatrous and superstitious; and the next step in the way of power, he supposed, was for them to have a little infant, of what size he re:11;y did not know, hut, as far as -he could guess, he really did not believe that if it were pliaccd under the ample integmmen's which covered his learned friend's head, they would be able to see it. (.:heers and htugliter.) And why was all this to be ? Because the law, in what the Scotch would call its fiction, and in what we call its presumption, supposed that an infant, if Royal, had as much sense as if it had arrived at the age of threescore aml ten. But take this case as applying ashicrally, and see whither it vsould lead them. Suppose they were to have another Guy Fawkes, and all their Lordships were to be blown up—if his learned friend was so lucky as to escape, before the successors to the peerage:. could be settled, and the next brothers admitted to that House, he would find it necessary to in- quire how many widows there were, aud to admit no Peers presumptive till it was seen whether there were not so many little Peers enclosed in the bodies of those widows.

LOrd ELLENHOROUGH supported the original motion.

From hereditary regard for the noble and learned Earl who had last addressed them, he would regret more deeply than any one the supposition that they had been addressed for the last time by him ; but he, at the same time, hoped that they had for the last time heard the noblc and learned Earl address them in atone of jocularity on a subject which com- manded such general and heartfelt sorrow, as a public calamity. He certainly Must say that he had not expected to hear from the noble and learned Earl such a tone in adverting to this important subject, ana which he had heard with equal regret and surprise.

Lord Ellenborough also regretted exceedingly what had fallen- rom Earl Grey ; who, he hinted, was bound in gratitude to the present Ministry-, for their services in carrying the Catholic question. But at the same time, since Earl Grey entertained those opinions, he rejoiced that be had expressed them, so that they might know who were their friends and who were their enemies. Great as might be the danger of having such an opponent as the noble Earl—great as was his pain in seeing that he was at last and unexpectedly arrayed against them—still they would maintain themselves in their strict path of public duty, reck- less of what might be the 'consequences to themselves, as long as his Majesty was pleased to require their services—(Hear, hear !)—endeavour- log to the best of their abilities to maintain the public interest. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE and the Earl of CAnivAavori urged the necessity of an adjournment.

The Earl of WICKLOW and the Earl of HAttEwoon supported the original motion.

The Earl of RADNOR and Earl MANSFIELD spoke strongly in favour of the amendment.

For the amendment, 56 ; against it, 100.

In the House of Commons, on the same evening, Sir Hotnntr PEEL moved "That this House will apply itself, with as little delay as possible, to make such temporary provision as may be requisiie for the public service in the interl al that may t•lapsts be- tween the close or the present s. tho meet it7:;. tinother

Parliament." The e'enora! s: cation el 11;is coarse were akin to those ;e• . tanrwr in which it is of. If it be deter- eiment, and if this !louse ).S1 temporary provesion as ..) sd betaveen that dis- hen I am persoaded

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lutions, which were aserily.d ti,,)di by those hy whein teey were opposed. However, the prop ssil lion which his alieasty's Ilovcroment inti.md now to make on this subject, is a reduction of 1 Idea shillings on West India sugar, and ()I tive shillilets on Fast !Julia sugar. Supposing that all the measures which have passed !hie II:eats: shall pass the Mouse of Lords, let us see what is the extent of relief from ocoit ion which the public have received in the present sessiiin. I;y the of the duty

on beer, there will be a loss to tint revetimo (of :.:,/»:)i,00 ; IV the reAais-

slur' ot the duty on loather, there will boa th() ri•vcon). 4,);:i00,0u0/.; by the remission of the duty on sugar, time lw 1,)s- to revenue of 450,000/---making :'.,7%0,0u11/. On the Wiwi- sidi• we must place the additional duty on BritiSh and Colonial spirits, ime mid hug tu eno,etad.: the total loss of revenue, therefore, will he :3, I eoraitil. I)) amaralile friend, the member for limerick, and some other honourable gentlemen, will he glad to hear that it is not intended to proceed with the measure for consolidating the Stamp-dieiPS. Opposvci as it has been, his Majesty's Government are willing to give it the limed-it of their principle, and to post .pone the further consideratimi of it out P anot or sessiim. Thvre re- mains time Appropriation Iii II We propose ti) tide' a vote of credit, in order to meet the estimates which have not yet locen passed, and to pro- vide until the meeting- of the next Parlionicat for the Civil ; and in doing this, tin- I-louse will hear in mind that there is now the ei,taldish- I now, Sir, e advisalde the mined that th, .• • will consent to may be requisite fir-3i solution ;mil 010 there must lit' aad

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• .• succeeded to the throne, that a cordial understandine' upon this subject should, as speedily as possible, be come to between him and his people. So strongly, Sir, am I convinced of the advantage of this immediate un- derstanding, that I do not hesitate to declare, that the same precautionary arrangements ‘vould cease to have the same effect, and the same favour, if they were made by a new Parliament, as they would if made by a Par- liament about to render an account to its constituents."

There Ives another question of exceeding importance, to which, when he spoke the previous evening of ontis8h11s, he had been

rigl ly I o :t■Itele—the mode of best meet illf; any default in I he Royal Family at present on the throne. " I mut I eladie refraio frail at all touching upon this topic—though I hope there is el.ewhere too touch magnanimity, too much patriotism, to permit lle• elestrious Sovereign now upon the thnme to shrink from loolsine in 1Le face that ultimate termination of his earthly existence, from which cent event may well show him princes no more than their suhitsts are e pt." 1;•I1, Vr, impelled by imperative duty to the considera- tion of it. v, it could he considered sa My and constil ionally.

' lii what mere embarrassing circumstances could the two Houses of Parliament be placed ;Inur by being called on to supply a defect in the Executive Goverunient at a time when that defect inwt be supplied by a thing contra) to all law, by two branches of the 1,e;islature framing a statute, to which the third, namely, the CrUWAr ciUld. not give its assein."

The precedent of last reiem was ttr.2;e1. Iltit the act you then pass( a Was not a law—it was only the phantom of a law—an act tending more than any thing this [louse ever did to

bring the Eirndy ffity into disrepute—to strike a blow at royalty. It went far to leach the pel.plc of England a lesson which it was not easy to unlearn. It slum( d them that it rots pGs,ible 14 do acts (.4. histqlion Wilhr,ol a king-. They would he obliged either to take upon themselves the appointment of t he Regent, or to witness the grossest insult that Could he offered east up .n our Constitution, the completest ridicule that could be thrown upon the form of monarchial government,—namely, to have a child of eleven years old declare who should be the Il.egent for the next seven years. (I loll., hear.) lliey would probably have the mother of the princess appointed Regent to her child, or they would have the Regency placed in the !rands of a person who did not belong to the Royal family at all. I le was the most likely man of all others upon whom it would be conferred. And what would that be but the act of a child in the leading-strings of its mother and its uncle?"

In settling the question of a Regency. Parliament were called on to pronounce who should he Regent. during the minority. The rule of accession to that office was established.

" I look to the 1 kir Presumptive, and I find t Imat he exists in the person of the [hike of Cumberland ; I am not at liberty to prefer any other person to him. 1 le is a Protestant Prince, and he is married to a Pro- testant Princess. It was only from a defect in one or both of the quail& catif ois, that a Prince of the blood royal could be disqualified." There was, however, in the case of his Royal Highness a diffi- culty, wliieh his proximity to the throne and his Protestantism did not remove.

"Time Salique law prevails in Hanover. The Princess of Kent cannot succeed to the throne of that kingdom ; the Duke of Cumberland must ; and thus is it separated from (neat Britain. We have, then, the Princess Victoria—a child of eleven ) ears of age—Queen of these Realms, and her eldest uncle, the King of I lanover—a foreign kingdom—Regent. Would it not be unconstitutional for a Foreign Prince to exercise that power within these realms ? Am 1, under these cif-min:stamen, to abide by pre- cedent, or am I not ? Am I to protest against the interference of a foreign prince, or adhere to a principle unconstitutional but convenient ?—to take my chalice of the interests of the farm being sacrificed to those of the freehold ?" It was the more necessary and reasonable that a short adjourn- ment .110111tl take place, because of the numerous topics to which their assent was bound by agreeing to the Addrce;s. " By agreeing to this Address, we at once express our assent to the passing of about two dozco Bills, on which there is an infinite variety of opini ms. One man is in favour of the Beer 13ill—another says he has had enough of beer. There is an equal diversity of opinion on other bills. I believe there are few who will be disposed to comfort the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the loss of his Stigar Duties. For myself, however, I must beg to say to the right honourable gentleman du/eat sunto, at least in memory. Nor, I believe, will anybody say a single word in favour of the Fourth Judge in Equity. lie has had his day—or rather his night—and his performance on that occasion will, I presume, prevent him from ever again claiming the favour of any audience."

Sir C. WETHERELL supported the amendment, and declared that in his opinion the best interests of the country called for the immediate appointment of a Regency.

Mr. WYNNE expressed himself of the same opinion. The Marquis of CuANnos, Mr. HART DAVIS, and Mr. R. GORDON observed that the West India interests called for an im- mediate adjust ment of the sugar duties. The CuAscELLon ()CHIC EXCHEQUER opposed the amendment.

Lord MILTON pointed out the difference between heir apparent and heir presumptive, which he said Mr. Brougham had con- founded.

Mr. IlusKissox contended for the immediate settlement of the Regency.

"-We are called upon by the Address to do—what ? To declare that all the important measures that have occupied us so unceasingly during the present arduous Session shall be at once abandoned! To say the least of it, this is to stultify Parliament; for we must declare that all the mea- sures which, in the opening of the Session, came recommended from the Throneitsell, as essential to the well-being of the country, are not so es- sential as the dismissal of the present Parliament, by which they are to be gratuitously and perhaps !for ever abandoned. What will the country think of us, after the labours we have undergone and the long debates we have held, if we at once break off with doing literally nothing ? Did I say nothiog! We shall have done worse than nothing—we shall have brought forward measures only to relinquish them for others which in turn have been also abandoned. We could not last night extract fronathe Chan- cellor of the Exchequer what he meant to do with the Sugar Duties; and yet now, on a Wednesday night, not ordinarily devoted to business, we are required to decide at once upon the most important topic that can ever engage the attention of e Legislature. I do not dwell upon the danger and confusion—which itself is danger, to arise from the fatal and unhooked-for demise of the Crown, when, if the course now suogested be adopted, there will exist no executive authority, excepting by means of one of those temporary expedients which have been of late too much the fashion. An Order of Council might temporarily settle the question of the Sugar Duties, by directing the collection of more than the subject was bound to pay ; but what I now refer to goes to the root and foundation of the Monarchy itself ; and is that, too, to be settled by an Order of Council ? What I contend for is this—that there are risks it is no way necessary to incur ; let us settle the Regency now, and not leave it to a period of unfor- seen calamity, when all the excitement of party animosities will be irt full and violent operation, and when we shall be deprived of the reliance we might be disposed to place] on the executive Government. I cannot to often impress upon the house that all we ask, in order to avoid the chance of the evils I have pointed out, is a delay of twenty-four hours. I implore it the more, because we are now on the last day of June, and how shall we be better qualified to decide these great matters in September than in July ? Weknow that Parliament has been not unfrequently celled upon to con- sider matters of importauce in the u-month I July, aud even in \i gust and I can see no possible reason why the Advisers of the Crown should. recommend the re-assemidine of the two Houses at time' inost incon- venient period of the year. That Pe-Iiament, if 110%4' dissolved, will be so re- assembled as soon as the writs are returoed, I cannot for a moment doubt ; and I never will believe that a I louse or Commons, with perhaps two or three hundred new tnernh.;rs, Will poSS'.!SS more knowledge of public affairs, more capability of deciding great qucstions connected with the public interest, than time present !louse of Commons, with the assist- ance of all its experience. Then conies the mild absurdity—I will not use a harsh expression—the grand inconsistency of all , that if the con- tingency of the demise of the Croa n should occur before the new writs are returned, this old, incomiotent Parliament must inevitably be re- assembled, to contend with all the complicated and accumulated diffi- culties, and the alarming insecurity that may then threaten all our great constitutional c.Ftablishments."

Mr. BRI G11 r, Mr. LENNARD, and Lord JOHN RUSSELL, supported 11r.! amendment.

Sir R013ERT PEEL could not desire any 'better an:-Aver in stip- port of the Address, than that which was contained in the amend- ment of the Noble Lord.

f-,-,They already had twenty-four hours to consider what they were to do, and the amendment required twenty-fours longer. (Loot eheeiNfron them OppoAtiot benches, echoed by et/ uel (owl cheers from those of the 1redsw71.)

That was the question. They required twenty-fours longer, to consider that reply to his Majesty which every man knew was already determined on. Could.any man doubt, at the time the Message was brought down and read, that it was plain from its language the answer must correspond to its wish? Could any man doubt that it contained no allusion to a pro- posal for a Regency, and therefore that there was nothing of that kind on which it was necessary for members to make up their minds ?

He then answered Mr. Brougham's argument for delay, and next assailed Mr. Huskisson.

The Member for Liverpool had to-night, as well as on many other oc- casions, forgotten he had once been in the service of th:-. Crown. (Lwif/ cheers front both sides of the House.) If his right honourable friend found such objections to the course now pursued, and condemned it en strongly, bow came it that he had, in his capacity of Privy Councillor, given his con- sent to the very same course in the year 1520?

Mr. Husiassox said he bowed with great humility to all lessoee received from Mr. Peel on the subject of inconsistency. (Cheers from the Opposition side of the House.) The House divided. For the original motion, 185 ; for the amendment, 139.

Lord ALTHORPE then moved an amendment to the Address itself.

"That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty, to represent to his Majesty that we acknowledge, with every sentiment of gratitude, the communication which his Majesty had been pleased to make to his faithful Commons; that his faithful Commons acknowledge as a proof of his Majesty's anxiety for the public welfare his Majesty's gracious determina- tion that, in consideration of the advanced period of the Session, and the state of the public business, he feels unwilling to recommend the in- troduction of any new matter, which would admit of postponement with- out detriment to the public service ; and his faithful Commons feel it to be their duty to state, that if his Majesty, taking the present circum- stances of the country into his consideration, should contemplate some provision for guarding against the danger to which the country might otherwise by possibility be exposed, his faithful Commons are ready to take into their consideration such measures as his Majesty may be pleased to recommend for this purpose; that his Majesty's faithful Commons are at all times ready to assist his Majesty in the execution of all public ser- vices, and to facilitate the dissolution of Parliament whenever it shall appear to his Majesty to be requisite for the benefit of his people; and they trust that the furtherance of his Majesty's wishes will be most Wee.- tually provided for by diligently carrying through that portion of the ordinary business of the Session which still remains incomplete."

Sir ROBERT PEEL declined going over the same ground again in resisting- this amendment.

Mr. BROUGH.4M persisted in his objection. He had a right to do so when he found that the whole strength of the Government

could only secure a majority of 185 al..1r,ainst 139; and to secure that majority, too, be it observed, no one earthly pains had been spared; while no pains whatever had been taken to collect the minmity.

[A solitary voice here uttered a peculiar sound, which most 0: the journals describe as inarticulate.] A member who sat before the person thus strangely moved by the spirit of ministerialism, spoke to the indecency and disorderli- ness of such conduct. But the SPEAKER decided that it was not out of order ; the indecency did not of course fall within the cen- sure of the Chair.

Mr. BROUGHAM said, such sounds of the menagerie excited ir his Mind no other feeling limn a devout admiration of the nume- rous ways in which animals had been endowed by the Author ol their nature with the capacity of making known their ideas ane feelings. Every creature had its own, and he was too pious and philosophic to find fault with the strangest. He proceeded- It was matter of personal knowledge, he would again repeat, that no exertion had been used to bring forward the minority of that night ; and it should be remembered, that their voluntary appearance was made on a Wednesday. Ile hoped no one would in future be flouted for bring- ing forward a motion on that day, as had been the case with Lord Palmerston, and with the Member for Abordeen—that most useful and invaluable representative; to whom he wished. lung and prosperity, for he had the hearts of the people with him. The thr,:,t ,•:' i,.inisters re-

signing had been thrown out ! AhLhin tb,,, cfreet ' threat, tlw l'riuoo ; and be of

to in,' " Parliament must be oissolved. H. , w ,

Poliiorw to ei,rb the LA.:. .

would ter, ; peopk• ,•.• • them t., 1,

perceive, th1., he who boh• to rob• be overwh, Though 1 in 0 Him t accu:e let. It is you 1 ac;. parasites."

As rulr. 13ronJunn, in iid+i,,•i• cheered,pointed rather (lir: w•here the Ministers were se0'.. to notice them; and, rising •.•

Brougliam, \nether. by " Home Serretary ? The Sir Babel t or nut, cannot 1ws .

in the life or the Chair, pot BROUGHAM', on advancing 11:2:aill to the

cries of " Chair I" but he persisted not

the Speaker, Ile exclaimed, in the highl-t 1,•• voice-

" lIo\v it Rir, for v.•••

asked, I do 1: I am m •

answer a ,:, reckoned e then by a cu... oi

answer the I.; 1. I

him whicthi 1,1 ill,. ‘• treated hii

lion - duct, ii:: tends n Sir, I a reply 5,, t Sir 11 i•i; PELL

rogatol•y,'ho did not sonal ,,f so that he ni -iouid Uri:enc.! to or would hav, ; c,•:, 1:. :ter to willuirawiliti

Mr. BROUGTIA:H coincided in this.

Mr. 1)uNn..5„s said, the Opposition had their \\II:nor-in as well as the Ministry; but they did not run well together—they were badly coupled.

Mr. Bitotainin—" I don't quite understand the language of the kennel employed by the Ihmourable mendler. If he means that a single note has been issu,..d to assemble members together, the idea is, I can assure him, utterly unfounded; and whoever told him so was either mistaken or has been the means of mis- leading 'MIL" '2. VOTE OF CREDIT. In the Committee last night, after Lord Ai:II:ORM-I had strongly protest t.,1 against the in- tended proceedings., the Cu., NcEr.t.on of the E CI!EQUER moved That a sum or 200,0W. b... granted to his Al iijcsty, towards satisfying such annuities, pen‘ii•ais, and (u; her pay:lams, as would have been payable eat of the Consoliduted Fend ('1G:eat Britain and Ireland, or out of the Civil Lit, in case the demise of his late "Majesty had not taken place 1.el'dre ilie huht Octoluer, 1§30."

The motion was opposed by Mr. II i• 7.7 I:, and then agreed to.

The next resolution was, " That it of iOht,l'()Cti. he granted to his Majesty, to satisfy the annuities sill other Claims upon the Consolidated Fund to the 5th of t ' next."—Agreed to.

The question was then put, "To: it sum of 1,1n,55 I/. be granted to his Majesty, to defray the t11SC ol 511.,i Irish mis..

tiellaneous Services, t he Army Ext rat); s. the Commissariat,

the Civil Contingencies, and lite -iVinilsor Castle, for nine months of the year 1320."

Mr. SPRING RICE objected to the mixing up of so many mat- ters in one vote, which had no natural connexion.

BROUGHAM stated the objection with t...;ireater force.

He could not allow that opportunity to pass by without once more warning them of the consequences of their present course—without once more pointing out to them the awful responsibility they were about to incur. Among the various heals which the resolution embraced, were two, if he mistook cot, the most important, and the most open to discussion and difference of opinion, of all those which had come before Parliament during the present session. These were the Ritleaux Canal and Windaor Castle. On the first of these items the member for Preston C:11-. ..".tailley) had a motion pending now for nearly six weeks ; a motion on which he had promised to put the House in possession of all the information which his personal inspection, talent, and experience could brin7 to the stibject ; and yet they were now called on to vote the money for a project threatened with this opposition, and without any of that inquiry and deliberation which it was obvious it required. On the second question, that of the expenses of Windsor Castle, there was also a great dilierence of opinion—he might say a very strong concurrence of feeling in opposition to it. Ile recollected very well, when it was proposed that the House should vote a sum of money for the repairs of Windsor Castle, that the House actually expressed so great an objection to the proposal, that Ministers were compelled to give way, and consent to the appointmeht of a Committee to hear evidence on the subject up stairs. He did not know whether that Committee had

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-ere loudly ,1 henclies I. Ii compelled of :\ meant the ... 1. to support .. the iirst 11101 (!t.owned with . Turning to ds powt...0.1.11 uasii•-••., that has been ill It is poi-, nuid I Iat to ••

1 and it is in • ,511gilitnis inter- of olfering per- Ile did not. think 1:,• thouiritt. it • ; ilitogether.

made a report. (Sir Robert Peel .yaid across- flue 1;r1 le Ilya it 1141 not.) Well, then, if they had nut, he could say, from what he had heard of the evi- dence, that it was impossible for that Committee, unless its opinions were governed by a strong Ministerial majority, to agree to the items of expen- diture which were contained ill that estimate. Now t'., a two estimate:3 —two disputed estimates—formed a portion of Iii it ,1 :I uhf. oh icht in7nit'y (7) 7■17:. they were no iv Called on to vote in a lainp. It the

did not pledge them to the vote, he knew 11 ,t \N' .

pledge; and how those gentle.lien who thus .11- 2 could answer to their c.::1-tituents, or to the , understand. lii vain w: ,:1,1 it be tint:mut:1s . 1.,

estimates. onse not h)

Sir RonEar PEEL -..1 that tin' II go lato the questi .:1 o tic 'legume.): (which Ali'. Breti • l'alit agaia mooted); and 11,, ,!..1 consid,•■• it cominiti,1 1,i• 11 :1 delerini-

nation to agree to 11 u 1 • the Corm of she vote—c,.- quirctl in. one Note than 1t■ iiltieli to • the olujeet for which the \ • • • mediate despatch of I he 1 i• .-• laird ALT warn.: an(1 r. .1 Mist. the course whielt iMiuisters seemed ulsi .1 to iinr-ii ltonEirr RANT, Ilia, I Ito pre-wItt WaS 110t alit iopport unity for entering into the question of the 110e:once, (n- tire' \- concurred with Mr. lirongliinn, that it v, as a question wilielt ought rot 1() be left inisetthid. It wit.; said that it ought not t.0 I/0 S.'7;ItIlled In a titintiltuary Parliament ;

but, if they deferred it, and any inn irtimate oreur, it would he agitated in a Parli .anient teur,•Id more tuniou wee, nein the pre_ sent. Iteile; that till' had Ccrt:linly lilt

grave ei•ii .1.! v..;ei due to it, In, *iv,: turtle..., thu it it

wcre 1,■ ti liatiqs, he would on .Thinilay 7,I :C:• • to the tuts -Ii'

Out thu' '

The II. . iI when a gr,5:11. cii 1,,-,11,i,e0 Fund was rei•ree-,1 1-:.

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0:1 t1t&:,',.C■h■_; 1 1..11 I,; A. Tt-T. f, Colonel 1).1 5: I Ls; had lush. Sul h, r.

Mr. C. l'.\ no, cd, that •2•2.s... sii dy. Arr. lIisitit.ic said, that the pres,m1 mei-iire would tout, in ltis opinion, creide such all incleased 0'; 111150 the effect of implou, hug ilie public. re \-,iiiiie, or (It gus iiiiUl5jIii1lO rolief to the planter. This Ite could only receive I ty such a reduction in; would rernoVe the glut that llinV OKisiC:.1 ill this country, and com- pelled the plimters to sell at a depreciated price.

It was quite true this redaction of 3s. in the duty would reduce the re- reline 450,0001. if there were not a great incr.ii.,e in the consumption. But upon this lie was nut very sango:ne ; whilk• v:as won convinced, that if 7s. had hcen taken oil' there wiittlil be an increase in conKumption, which 550111d IVaVC the revenue wry httle impaired by the I us u liaritiled to the West Indies. Ile understood there were partic,; who thought that after next 3loinlay, when the law shoulii have i•xpirell, Hwy could enter sugars without paying any dill y at all. Ile trust ed they w1 uhi la. deterred from the attempt, as it must itivolve thetn in a clotted with the Uovera- ment.

Mr. Palnier's amendment was n114 luy (is to 2:5. A Bill was bro ighl in on Friday, and road a lirst time.

4. l'oucirit \- BILL. In a Committee oil llui Forgory Bill., the Loin) Cii.\.xcEid,oit slated several clijiietions to the hill as it at

present stood. his Lordship could not admit I !oil existisl. greater relnelitnel! 10 prosecute Ibrgery Clint any other clpital ertilirlie. believcd that a general relnet-,15,-, capital o!l'erif.es, and not more with r,-

he understood the r

partuiii; of a fflist,1 :1,0 fri:

advantage to hi. roui

g Nat pur...,,nnal 11.:iidile ;wit • • ,Er. 111:o0011.-.74, . Ill:: U 555: , putprevail,,I (in all 'luau a ;Hi) c. If • ! • I,. -,it,,rs

1 lewd,

The House then divided on the question, that the words pro- posed to be left out by the Chancellor's amendment stand part of the clause. This was negatived, by. 77 to 20; and the capital punishment part was accordingly anion inserted. Lord HOLLAND observed, that in another stage of the Bill, he might think it his duty to move that the amendment be expunged, and the original words reinstated, if it were only for the purpose of putting his own recorded ()pillion on the journals of the House.

3. BEER BILL. The CitANCELLoit or the ExcuEoneat hav- ing r ,•,1 tlie order of 1 he die; Inc the third reading of this bill,

( (LT moved an am " That it be read a third tina• .1,•v six no v-,' 1,111 iteerwards withdrew it.

Ain -',i %el.:RYAN line:ed.! edelea In.•• way or rider, for postponing the (‘,••1,,ioil of the hi!! for tee) veers. The clause was brought

up :11: ram! it lir4 time. t the motion tin reading it a second time, e, its rejected by I 11 1 to I.

Mr. liATI.Ey inoved a clause for the continuance of the line of 5s. in case of drunkenin.,:s.

Mr. lInoufafAm at mich a clause with saspition, as it was only fining a man let gelling druid; en beer, and omitting all penalty thr these who tippitel en (ear, I -eel ehneepalgne.

fi.r I;, learned gentleman ran IIII 11 I I Iii iiititii ti, situation

miming so nunai

the ho- n as the honour-

tin...justly treated

sift •i i io u suane situation'

anti a vi 7.'7I

and he, bill was passed. Mr.

C. C :kick the House, if he stood alone ; but he did no!.

6. STATE or IRELAND. Several petitions frinn various parts of 'Ireland having bean laid on the table, the Marquis of CLANRt- CARDE inquired if it was true that stores had been robbed and lives sacrificed, at Limeriela ihrote,11 the starvation of the people ; and whether the Government nennt to take any meiasures for the,

relief or that part or the einpilo ?

The Duke of WELLINGTON slated, that the Government had received information or a distort etnce at Limerick, in which there was a collision between the populace and the t mops, and some lives were lost. The Executive Government was not yet in pos-

session of the particulars.

As to any measures for the relief of Ireland, he begged their Lordships to rcniamber that always about this period of the year the people were

subiect to distress Crain %%ant of provision. About this time their own stocks were Li:shim:401, and they were i,Ithacl Ii!:;,.) to market to buy pro- visions. There \ter:, neecwiarily Ilien a rise ii the price of provisions, oc-

casioned hy increas,d deriaii ; end eon:Adm.:dile distress ensued, be- cause the people had nat the maans! Ii mliv provisions. The noble Lord

questioned him siato Ireland, and in answ.er to that he re- ferred to Meta. Toe; e r was a' lilt's a yaar when there was not a considerable di< I, this period, atiiim.; from the iise in the

:price nrevi,,iee (ice:boned by the increased demand.

Tito !'::r if li,:m:::ittct( confirmed this statement.

lie remendwrel dit there was great distress rind similar outrages in 1817. Nor weie the .0 out cm's now much to he wondered at. There were yuldications naw HA:Mated throughout Ireland that were sufficient to rouse the most pas.,k paople, and coul11 not be otherwiie than like firebrand.: V.imen MM•imil'e::.-,eit to his sensitive countrymen. They were re- commended in tee st nearest terms to convert their worthless rags into gold, to press neon all the hankers, and so obtain whatever they wished. Ile laimMted that SOfile omen were yet found who wished to keep alive the memory or those dia.erences it was the great object of every man who wished widi to his country to forget, being aware I hat thc most strenuous efforts were yet necessary to preserve and maintain the prosperity of the COO ntry.

The Earl of WINDIM.SEA lamented that a few individuals should yet have the power to disturb the peace of Ireland. He wished to know what means had been taken to put down the As- sociation which 1141(1 woriied so much mischief; and he expressed his opinion that allowing a foe; heti iduals to possess such power in Ireland was a sign of a WeLlt Government.

The Dula' of WELLtNt;TON said, that a proclamation had been issued, which had the effect of putting down an improper Asso- ciation. It was the duty. of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland to carry the law into execution, and not to prevent it, or strain it, with a view to an nidnidual. With respect to the publications— the writings which had been alluded to—the Government of Ire- land would vigilantly watch them, and carry the law into execu- ticm against the authors of them.

el et • vet. might Ite Ins liqtt()r.

i tie ielly or Oxford in .Ieee, on heine• asln.

1,:tt Leine:

1, tie le -I arable

lattl been II ii cation.

h.: ' -II : an(' be so iii. being liacd. it he li:nourabic baronet lid tM't%t 1`7•;/.1:

7. CROWN REVENUE IN THE WEST INDIES. Sir JAMES GRA- HALT macs a motion last night on the misapplication of the 41- per cent. sugar ditties ; which he, after some discussion, withdrew. Sir James, lanvever, took occasion to make an eloquent speech on the Civil List and the Regency.